Then, plug in the phone and boot up. I wanted to do that with my original MotoX, then I dropped it and they refused to fix it. And it is not about the connection to the circuit board where you usually can do epoxy backfill. It’s not solder related; the only way to fix it is by completely replacing the CPU package with one that isn’t defective. Even if they went with fully flexible ICs, which would bend with the movement and thermal expansion instead of cracking, they would still see issues with the interconnects by nature of flip chip. Sounds nuts I know…. It’s an insalely common problem that manufacturers refuse to fix, which is incredibly annoying as I’m sure you’d imagine. Where did you hear that the warranty was extended? LG fixed in under a week and replaced the battery. I did this because this is one of the troubleshooting steps they have in their playbook. It became apparent that the Nexus bootloop was a common problem, and not just for the 5X. The refurbished 5X bootlooped this morning. In September 2016, reports began to circulate that similar failures were being encountered with the Nexus 5X manufactured for Google by LG, particularly whilst upgrading to Android 7.0 "Nougat". If you’re a Nexus 5X owner experiencing constant rebooting after installing an OTA update to Android 7.0 Nougat, you’re not alone. I have spent many years doing failure I plugged it into my computer to pull as much data as possible from it. Fortunately for me, I’d purchased mine directly from Project Fi, and it was still a bit less than a year old. Bought mine 12-22-2015. My first 5X bootlooped in September ’16. Mine went into bootloop and I hadn’t updated anything in quite awhile…. Read more about it here, here and here. Suggestions for either self repair or sending it in? That’s it. I put it in the oven floating on tinfoil balls on a cookie sheet where the temperature was between 360-389 for about 10 minutes. Sent me a shipping label and I sent it to them the same day. Google (Project Fi) replaced it under warranty with a refurbished device. many failures of flip-chip and BGA bonding, Replacement delivery is 3-7 business days and you have 21 days too return your busted device. With the video recovered, the phone then crashed after approximately 20 minutes of use. I feel i’m reading Engadget now, and i feel dirty. I would get ~1 minute in the phone before it would reset. I regret choosing the 5X in that it doesn’t have an SD option and I hate using cloud backup. What kind of a question is that? Mark wrote a comment on Intuitive Counter Clock. Emailed LG Canada and hoping for a decent answer from them…. I contacted Google and even tho my phone was 2 years old they replaced it! Then it died for good. that apparently has a bootloop problem as well, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15578677, https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/untested-nexus-5x-bootloop-death-fix-t3641199. The freezer sounded only slightly ridiculous, so, being otherwise out of ideas, I gave it a shot. They even sent me an RMA label to ship the dead phone back, so I wasn’t out a dime (just some time without a phone). I made it all the way to the home screen before it came to a dead stop, and returned to its looping ways. (Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15578677 – apparently wet hair melts at a lower temperature than dry hair, fancy that! I quickly transferred the photos and videos off and then a few minutes later it bricked. The warranty has been extended for the motherboard, so you should be able to get a replacement. A subreddit for the Google Nexus 5X smartphone, manufactured by LG. https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/untested-nexus-5x-bootloop-death-fix-t3641199 No device should run that hot. The failure is related to the update. Iv just sent my phone off to LG for repair after it began to boot loop, although it was out of the one year manufactures warranty, due to our strong consumer protection laws in the UK I was able to book it in, no questions asked. But hey, we’re hackers, right? But it left me scratching my head – what was the true cause of the problem? For those who don’t have the wherewithal to open and fix their phones themselves, the heat of a car left in the afternoon sun appears to be an option. Based on the research I did, there is a way to check the date of manufacture(?) Several more failed boot cycles eventually brought it back up and I got most of the data off. So the thermal stress could be reduced. They don’t do it intentionally to ensure shorter device life. piggybacking on this-- how long does a repaired phone last, in your experience? My 5x failed in bootloop while I was overseas three months ago, just as I was about to board my last plane home. I gave the board a heavier serving this time: a full 3 minutes of hot air. This just in, suficently hot air directed at a plastic bag for long enough will melt the bag. I’m from the original days of the clone PC’s. Google did not even use all the features of the SOC even though like the 6P had them. My Nexus 5X did this less than 8 months after I bought it. Will I get my phone back or a replacement? I was charged for a new motherboard recently, so am repeatedly contacting LG to get a refund. Ha, I have one of those affected nvidia devices in my 2007 MacBook Pro. I did this for my son’s and my 5x and put the money towards 2 brand new Pixel phones. I resigned myself to editing the video of the repair and leaving it at that. A lucky few had success by reflashing an OS image to their phone. I think Fi recognizes the issue with the 5X and continues to do replacements while they have them available (and assuming you bought the phone from Fi or Google). On this phone, all I got after leaving it plugged in to the original charger was “Google” in white letters for 10 seconds and then it went black again. No such luck! But since I also happened to have a little crack in the screen they made me pay the deductible. I refuse to pay for their defect so I still don’t have a solution. Are people with good taste in phone (at least as far as camera is concerned) more or less likely to record for over-under eyeball configuration? Increased Neutron Levels At Chernobyl-4: How Dangerous Is Corium? And what if I will update the phone when it’s sitting on the freezer? This problem quietly forces users to purchase new phones every year or two. As disappointed as I am with LG it seems like they are trying to do the right thing for their customers by extending the warranty period for the Nexus 5X. My replacement refurbished died this week. I recently called the service center and have dropped off my phone. And although there was a Lot I loved about stick Android, I sold my refutb replacement Pronto and bought a Samsung. So, if you still have a working 5x, the solution seems to be to put your phone in the freezer during updates. Project Fi customer support cross-shipped me a replacement device. I immediately started a chat with LG (as I had no phone). I don’t know whether this contributes to the problem with the chip mount, but I have always found it to be a bit concerning and that any GPS use runs the battery down very quickly. This phone should’ve lasted way longer than what it did, and I cannot go without a phone for months on end while whomever decides how much they are going to give the runaround. With Google releasing an update every few weeks or so, it’s likely that at the time your phone does fail, it will be close enough to a recent update that a human looking for patterns will identify the update itself as the cause of the problem. I loved my 5x. :), My 5X just died today as well. This used to be a problem when I used to repair computers. I can run the laptop in ‘safe mode’ for hours, which is most likely because the video chip is hardly used in that case. RROD was die bonding. Also … After reading / watching your video, I put the phone on the dash of my van in the sun for the afternoon. 38 business days. Moved to a different phone model after that. Was yours still under warranty? Recent times have given us the 15 Second Installer, and I was excited — until this too failed to work. I think it’s possible that the community’s belief that the problem is related to software updates is due to their frequency. I decided I’d try to get the phone running properly. Didn’t last long tho. > do the people who turn off updates after a bad patch stop putting oil in their cars if they have a breakdown after an oil change? – FrankTheCat. Can sometimes get to the bootloader, sometimes it even boots, but soon fails again. Mine hit boot loop a couple of weeks back, but LG replaced the main board within 24 hours. I’ve had a Nexus 4 since July of 2013, and I’ve never had any kind of bootloop issues, and I’ve flashed different ROMs on it after Google stopped supporting​ it. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. This worked for me. Not possible to fix that :(. As a fix, the co-developer of the device, LG, is offering free repair services to Nexus 5X devices with unconfirmed “boot loop” problems. So to avoid the issue should I install patches with the phone sitting under the air conditioner? One of the recurring problems reported by Nexus 5X users worldwide is the bootloop issue. Don’t leave flashlight on too long – that’s what did mine in. I just cannot say how clever I think you are! The RoHS solder is so bad the aerospace and transportation sectors have been given an exemption. so i called it in to be repair because of extended warranty, and so they had told me to remove battery. (which are frequently due to defects in the They sent it back with a note starting a power regulator was to blame.. Cracked open the case and find they had completely replaced the main board after flashing the chip with my original IMEI. The repair note was: Repair Results: Swap Board (Main/RF) : Others. I had the same loops. So even googles explanation dont make any sense. Not really, no – but I’d love to hear your opinions and experiences. Poor engine.. What are the chances that the few security updates he didn’t get will cause a 14 year old to hack his phone? The Nexus really is well designed, using only Phillips head screws of what appear to be equal length all around (are you listening Apple? That seemed to do the trick and fix it . Others made warranty claims to the manufacturer and received back refurbished units. mine lasted 2 months: I've sent it back again for another warranty spin hoping the'll replace with a g5se instead of this disposable phone :(, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. I was ready and waiting to snap into action, plugging the phone straight into my laptop to dump my vital data. Apple’s response was “welp do you have $659?” My response was “that’s 1/3 the cost of a Surface Pro 3, see ya.”. Come morning I was the proud owner of a Pixel XL and a spectacular hangover. If I could get it operational, it’d be useful to have a spare phone around – I’d already upgraded to a Google Pixel at the first sign of trouble. I guess it’s not just a problem with my Nexus 5x, Please be kind and respectful to help make the comments section excellent. And now I’m here and my 5x is broken. I don’t know how long this would survive…. It’s stunning. No dice — an hour later, my phone was off. Usually, all bootloader options bring me back to the white "Google" and no further. Or replacing the flash which also rewrites all the needed data. Mines still fine btw although it did restart itself last night. I know what I did and what happened. Thanks again…, “The LG G4, V10, and the Nexus 5X are all affected by the bonded flipchip substrate breaking off of the BGA package under the CPU, which usually manifests in bootlooping or screen corruption, and eventually a complete brick. Historically, the Android Debug Bridge set of tools has been painful and difficult to install. I had WiFi fail on my tablet when I was playing XCOM on my tablet and it got pretty toasty — the WiFi was completely gone, system log didn’t report seeing it at all and nothing I did changed the situation. My first one died last August with this issue. I told them I was lucky I didn’t get hurt or have a fire. So there’s a Class Action Lawsuit for G4 and V10… seems like adding the 5X would be a good idea… and I hope the extend that Lawsuit internationally. Though it did not initially work, after several hours indoors I tried once more to turn the phone on and the red battery light blinked, so I plugged it back in to charge. I agree about the 5x being included in the lawsuit. Just followed the same steps everything is working just fine but, it will only last for a few hours. Here's a recap of how the company is handling the situation. I just sent mine in and then turn around was about a little more than a week. Thanks again posting this video. Even if you have data on your phone you want to retrieve I would suggest you make the call right away. The fact that the phone does respond to cooling and heating, combined with a lawsuit covering this issue with similar phones, suggests that the problem is indeed related to hardware. I had to fix the phone, at least long enough to recover my files. I found my beloved device was holding my files hostage having succumbed to the dreaded bootloop. It’s tough to be without a phone these days. Apparently after analyzing a ton of real-world reliability data, they determined that operators should double or even triple the service interval for heavy machinery (mine trucks etc.) There is a hacky fix: via software, you should disable two of the six available cores in the phone processor ( SoC ). Learn how your comment data is processed. It will reboot randomly, not even run for more than 5 minutes, and is essentially rendered useless. We can talk about all the problems, but the thing is, for a phone that was not abused or heavily used and not even barely used for it to die after an update. whether due to solder joint fracture, pad lifting, I was on the phone with LG support for over 8 hours at various times, 14 emails, for supervisors and then they finally promised to send me a refund for my 5X. Mine went into bootloop on Tuesday. It seems that all these bootloop issues started after the Nexus 4. The Nexus 5X boot loop issue was first seen in September when the Android 7.0 Nougat update was released. The same thing happened to me on the 8th, but I bought my phone a month before you bought yours. Hope it lasts a while longer. Now, a few years later, the laptop is experiencing the same issue again. Press and hold the Volume Down and Power keys together for 10 seconds or until the phone turns on. I can see an issue with long term high temperature causing problems but just by charging? They replaced the flash memory. PCB pad finish and brittleness of lead-free A spokesman from LG Electronics said that the ‘repair services are available for Nexus 5X customers in Korea for free’ and there’s ‘no time limit for the service.’. A few attempts resulted in a power on. Got the compound replaced and my phone is working perfectly. Does LG have the capability to decrypt the phone? :/, luckily lg replaced it even though it was bootloader unlocked and rooted. Learn more, Fix-a-Brick: Fighting The Nexus 5X Bootloop. Phone worked long enough to backup data. My new refurbished 5X can run at 147 degrees Fahrenheit when in GPS mode. Cracked screen = $79 deductible. Had to throw it on the freezer and was luck to have 5mins of normal use, enough to unlock boot and USB debuging. It wouldn’t even show signs of life plugged into the charger; nary a battery filling animation, nor a blinking LED. I’m USA, so I contacted LG USA about a refund that I keep reading about. You won’t (*can’t*) pay what it costs to have a 100% rock solid reliable ultra-new high performance device… and it’s an impossible task anyway. This seems to be funny but you can try putting your phone in the refrigerator for … Can I prove this? Great write-up and analysis. But they were incredibly fast repairing (I have a previous comment somewhere explaining the time it took for both repairs), and they replaced the main board. Tried doing a reflow on the main board as well as other fixes.. My wife’s phone had a battery problem a while ago. Yes, I had to put a hold for $500+ on my credit card, but I also had the option to avoid the charge if I would wait for them to receive my phone before they would ship a replacement. ), I’m still using my LG G1. After searching for a while, I tried the various tricks including deep freezing the phone, allowing the battery to run completely out, and heating around the camera (albeit I did this with a hair dryer and not a heat gun as others have) and none of them worked. My 5X crashed and started bootlooping today as well… sigh. It will also cause radio desense. I am certain going through the insurance for bootloader would also have been $79. I can’t believe this trick works…At first I thought it was software related so I ignore this video and bought Xiaomi phone. My 5X bricked about a week ago while I was sending a text. I want to join the lawsuit. Do you have any idea what the statistic is on how much video is done with smartphones these days, or what quality they are capable of? Car dash ftw. One extra step to add… Tried a few times with various hetagun settings (1st @200C, within 24 hrs issue returned, 2nd @250C, within 24 hrs issue returned) Finally (last ditch nothing to lose mode) I set the heatgun to 300C for 1:30. It died dead. Getting offtopic but I saw a really interesting speech at a mining conference once. analysis of electronic assemblies, and ;). After the data was backed up, the phone died again and hasn’t been willing to boot again since. The phone was out of warranty, but they clearly had been dealing with the problem and agreed to a “warranty exception” to replace it with a refurbished unit. They made $20,000+ devices with ball grids, that then tended to fail.. It’s not solder related; the only way to fix it is by completely replacing the CPU package with one that isn’t defective.”. Thanks. Nothing I had read about online worked: whacking it, opening it up and resetting all the connections, etc. I’ve been looking all over for info like this. The Google Store was willing to offer a “warranty exception” even though my warranty expired in October, so they’re being very good about it. Streaming to Chromecast Audio, and using a combination of Plex, CloudPlayer, Roon, Tidal, Hi-Fi Cast, YouTube vanced, and various other streaming services to listen to music through a … The replacement came today and is working great. I hope this can help others as well. Although plugged into the charger at the time to charge in the morning. From what I understand, it is the same issue. Heat guns typically produce a fairly slow flow of very hot air. i'm leaving the country and won't be able to just mail it back in. All seemed to be a little to familiar with the issues. This is the story of my attempt to debrick my Nexus 5X. But after a month I have a spare time and doing this stuff which actually simple which is heating a motherboard. Very useful. I’m not convinced Google isn’t aware of the problem with updates and maybe they benefit from the phones dying somehow. I’ve done this with Google for my Nexus One with 2 bad pixels, and it took five minutes on the phone plus the time to pack and ship the broken one. Shields are usually added for radiated emissions control, or to shield noise coming into the device and affecting it. Should you brick a phone but be able to get into the recovery menu you can collect all your data though the computer connection. By this point, my phone was completely unresponsive — a total brick. Huawei handled the Nexus 6P, however that apparently has a bootloop problem as well. Looking for a lightweight ROM for home music focus. land-boards.com has updated the log for PDP-8 FPGA. I am in the same situation. Was that through the Nexus Protect extended warranty (which I have, but charges a deductible) or did you contact LG directly? However, I am not in a position to be able to buy a new one at this point. Must Check: Here is a DIY guide to fix Nexus 5X Boot loop issue Recently, Google came up with its own flagship smartphone range, Pixel , giving an end-notion to the Nexus series. At this point, I was tired of the whole business. Updates normally let run phone quite hot and this heat is the cause for the broken hardware. In the UK thus far they've been a bit crap, there online warranty form doesn't work and when you phone them they take down your details for a callback and then never do. heat from booting will be the issue not to mention moisture control. The logic would be the same, after all. My phone is over 16 months old and they stated working on it immediately, they didn't even ask me any questions. After a stop by iFixit to check out their Nexus 5X teardown, I felt confident I could disassemble the phone without breaking it. YMMV of course but if nothing to lose, why not. This leads me to my current conclusion. Not sure that makes a difference in service. Apparently it was a connection to the power button, which specifically had to be microsoldered back, and took so long because it was so finicky that several attempts failed. I will never buy another LG product in my life. The nVidia’s video chips bonded flipchip would come loose from the BGA substrate, due to heatcycles. It will make your phone quite a bit slower however, because it disables the A57-cores, but it’s better than a bootloop (or in my case, strangely enough, it kept crashing very frequently and rebooted 5-10 times during the boot sequence, sometimes freezing at the colorful animation, other times not getting past the google logo, before finally booting and then crashing again within 30 minutes). cycling due to mismatch in thermal Apple acknowledge the issue and had a program to replace the mainboards for free. If your experience is anything like mine I expect that you won't have any issue with the repair and get it back within two weeks. Not anymore :( maybe I should get heatgun to heat it up, I put the motherboard in the oven for 10 minutes at 150º degrees and work perfectly fine, 2 days from that. Device will be for trash anyways because fix is not long lasting, but an hour or two with partialy working phone is sometimes enough for important data recovery. My next step was to at least see if we could get into recovery mode. Not even a peep.. Bootloop for me as well… since yesterday, no help from google or LG… Unplugging batterie and keeping my phone outside (on the snow) make it boot for a while. Painless other than the sudden phone failure. Although I did have the nougat beta program and it ran for the month, on the day of the release I got a notification and ignored it. But in normal mode, it will crash really quickly. Really the should call the law Increase of hazardous substances as that’s what it really does the the waste stream in the end with increased failures. My Nexus 5X just started boot looping recently. Of course they do, you heard him I bought the pixel first then trouble shot. I had this problem as well with my Nexus 5X. At 5% the computer reported that the connection was lost and the handset was frozen solid. LG replaced it, then 3 weeks after the warranty ended we got the dreaded bootloop on the refurbished phone. Easy enough, right? After reciting the sacred incanation of holding POWER and Volume Down at the same time, selecting Recovery Mode, then holding POWER while tapping Volume Up, I finally had a recovery menu, and some real options. because at the recommended service intervals, the chances of destroying an engine through maintenance error was much higher than was justified by the slightly longer service life. I tried going into the recovery mode, but as soon as I click the power button to enter the recovery mode, it goes back to bootloop. Nothing worked so I sent it into LG for warranty repair. Heat and cold both attempted but nothing ended stable. I thought it was a lost cause due to the original purchase being soon after launch but I will give it a try. Well, no. I plugged the phone into the wall outlet and cable that was provided with the phone for over an hour. coefficients of expansion. I put it all back together and took a deep breath. 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