', Her answer could be 'This is Sarah'. Long ago did they cease to keep pace with rapidly evolving usage such as our burgeoning mother tongue affords; yea, do not some posts in this very thread which strive to follow said laws provoke a disgust most visceral among the unpretentious? The "rule" is impossible to follow. copula: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copula, 2 votes John, this is where you will be interested to know that there are many native speakers of English in Asia, because English is by nature of its easy assimilation of foreign language words an international language. And to those of us that are looking for answers with more research, please remember that Wikipedia is yet another website with postings from mere 'native' speakers. All these opinions worth exactly the .00 you paid for them :). So how useful is it? Scott, why are you using Latin as an example? Their answer is not contextually or situationally correct in any way. Then we want to know about what speakers actually think about what they say. Very soon, if we base the ownership of English grammar rules on the mere size and commonality of the language's occurrence, then you will eventually see both India and China prescribing rules for the rest of the world to follow, including America, Canada and England. I am educated, I am (fairly) aware of my language, and so I will try to use it correctly. How is a 1st person pronoun (I) made to agree with a verb form (is) in the 3rd person -- as in "That's I", which it would be "I is that" in reverse? Simple solution: use something you know to be correct, do not risk sounding like an idiot (because either usage of she/her can have that result). "qui", not "Quixote" love stories love stories a.shakespeare by Shakespeare s.shakespeare about Shakespeare #74 ebook no. Besides, most natives aren't even native. Common usage does not equal correct usage. I don't believe communication is relegated to the wealthy - and isn't that the purpose of language? It is simply wrong, wrong, wrong, no matter how you try to slice it. Our LGBT business resource group distributed them at a recent meeting. I know that many people do say it. She and I, Lyrics provided by https://damnlyrics.com/.   Report Abuse, 26 votes Why? >This is because you can ask, "May I please speak TO her?" The only answer I can come to is that they are just making it up to sound smart and reduce the possiblity of a retort. "This is her" is correct, because the only people who say "This is she" are people who have been told a rule that's based on one or both of two rules:1.   Report Abuse. Chaucer couldn't pass a modern grammar test and neither could Shakespeare. In our corner of the world, language is the yardstick that we use to measure each other's intelligence. Don't worry about the world outsideShe and I agree, she and I lead a perfectly normal life I don't see how this view is irrelevant to the discussion of correctness. That's a good question, Lia. I'm not saying that "anything goes," I'm saying "look at the relevent evidence."   Permalink So if anyone tries to tell you that "This is she" is really their natural way of speaking ... theya) have been dead for several hundred yearsb) are a snobc) have had this rule shoved down their throat by a snob. Do you not understand the English you hear every day? He's right.   Report Abuse. If I used all the terrible English I heard everyday no one would understand a word I said, way to aim low! I'd love to hear about the rules for usage when a written word begins with a vowel that sounds like a consonant. She and I live in our own little world Does this REALLY sound correct to anyone? I'm talking about native English speakers: people who have English as a native language, whether they're American, Canadian, British, etc. She Will Lyrics: Young Money! In this whole forum, nobody has established an absolute, clear-cut rule. People don't like to find out that something they're accustomed to is technically wrong. For someone to assert that "me and my friend are going out" is somehow normal or acceptable is just plain absurd. Then "him" in the following example should be "he"? Everyone around me says "this is her." She felt she needed to "escape" and went to Egypt for three weeks. When am I supposed to use the subject case pronouns after "be" and when am I supposed to use the object case?   Report Abuse. The fact is that this is something that usage writers disagree about. This is because you can ask, "May I please speak TO her?" Ain't it wonderful Here's an overview of prescriptivism in English:http://www.uqu.edu.sa/majalat/humanities/2vol15/011.pdf. You don't need to stoop to meaningless insults to get your point across. Furthermore, it is an observation that tells us much about social organization and the function of trivia in such organization and nothing about the structure of language. If anything, your assertions make linguistics mostly irrelevant! Everybody does it mostly with impunity, but it's still against the law. Similarly, when you knock on a door and someone inside asks, "Who is it?" http://www.ling.upenn.edu/courses/Summer_2004/ling001/lecture1.html, 10 votes But all our friends know we're just a little old fashioned Created by Noelle Stevenson. ), 12 votes I don't recall mentioning them.   Report Abuse. 2- horses run deep inside your heart. A Canadian woman was arrested after allegedly breaking into a home of a mom she had met on Facebook and blasting everyone inside with bear spray — in … Stilted, atavistic, inflexible hypocrisy! Well, the native americans didn't even speak English. We don't put adverbs between the verb and its object. In my opinion and in the opinion of many other usage commentators, "correct" means "what is used by good writers". Or perhaps it is because when I do, if someone asks if I am there, I say, "Wait a minute, I'll check.".   Permalink   Permalink Today, I turn 23. No one says "this is she." - The winners are we.". ", you may reply: Alternatively, if we are to replace Sarah with a pronoun, then you may say: Similarly, when the caller is referring to a third person (say, in a conference) by the question "Is that Sam? It is also a rule for many speakers to use accusative pronouns after "be": it's me, it's her. im teaching english as a second language and this question came up in class today. What about speakers of English who lived before the 18th century (which is when prescriptive grammar was invented)? Guess what. ‘She’ is the nominative form of the word, so it cannot be used to describe somebody who is the object of a sentence (in this example, ‘this’ would be the subject). If I may make an analogy, speeding is illegal almost everywhere on the planet. "IS" is a linking verb, therefore there is a subject and a predicate nominative. I may be a smart alec, but my grammar is correct. Sorry if I ask something wrong. Now, so many say "this is her" that "this is she" sounds funny and wrong. In latin, Sarah would say "ego sum sara" or "I am sarah", and the same grammatical markings would appear on "haec est ea" or "this is she. None of my students have ever diagrammed a sentence. I'm an English teacher, and I can tell you, the curriculum does not focus on grammar. ", If you still don't buy it, take latin for example (in latin, the rules about which words go in which cases (nominative/accusative/etc) are about smack-on to our own, but they are easier to see because of case endings.) 6 votes Factors that influence changes almost always involve audience and usage. What we can do is try to influence some of the minor outcomes, for example, try to insist that people say "I drank" instead of "I drunk" or "It's I" instead of "It's me". Wojtek, 49, and Sonia, 43, met in Wales when she was visiting the UK. >May I be stricken dead this instant if I am wrong.Shouldn’t that be “struck”? and not "The best runner is he.". I recently had my Covid-19 vaccine. In Spanish, it is common to respond "soy yo" which means "I'm me". The verb “to be” acts as a linking verb, equating subject and object. We are not robots. It is what a lot of speakers say, including well-educated speakers I know. The fact is that native speakers do not say: That's I.The best swimmer is he.The winners are we. The objective case word would be "her." How is it “technically” correct? It sure seems like it; I can't think of another that works this way. You can think of it as: (pointing to the girl) This is she...(then pointing to her father) and this is her father. Most of the English speakers in Asia are not native speakers as far as I know.   Report Abuse. ?? It is only concerned with observing how some people speak. Talk about absurd. So what's the reaction? but it said nothing about only using "You are smareter than I.". Instead we have a situation with default pronouns (me, him, her etc), which are replaced by marked pronouns (I, he, she etc) in certain situations. That is what linguistic evolution is all about. - in certain compound constructions after a preposition, for instance "between you and I". If someone asked about it, an intelligent and useful answer would be "The rules say that you should drive within the speed limit. After years of long-distance love, they now live in Cali, Colombia Last modified on … Free Shipping On Orders $49+ Free Returns 1000+ New Arrivals Dropped Daily {{ lang_footer_customer }} {{ SHEIN_PC_KEY_4097 }} There are at least 250 milllion Chinese nationals who speak English (as of last count in Jan 2007), and the number extrapolates astronomically when you realise the penetration of the English Language across school classroom curricula. With your argument, phrases like "long-time-no-see (literal chinese translation), and "clever bug" for the English term "spider" are recently coined terms which have penetrated Global English's lexicon, and are perfectly understood by Chinese speakers of English. Ain't it wonderful to know, all we ever need is just the two of us >And we write "an hour" because "hour" begins with a vowel sound. Ah she and I save, she and I pay on everything we acquireAh but just because we aren't often seen separately With Aimee Carrero, Marcus Scribner, Karen Fukuhara, AJ Michalka. I will start saying, "speaking", however. If you are a person who absolutely MUST quantify statements, then I suppose "This is Jane" would be most situationally and gramatically correct. amazed, could you please explain how using a language is like driving a car? It's quite another to suggest that "me and my friend are going out" illustrates the very rule for proper grammar. It implies to me that there is a Manual of English that explains the hard and fast rules of all English for all time, and also that such rules even exist. The whole point in having language is for communication. Why is this still a topic of discussion? "You are smarter >than me am smart" would never make sense. "Repeat the pronoun for emphasis, and it revert to object form: "Me, I am going out.". with "This IS she" smacks more of haughtiness and rudeness than it be an indication of an mind well educated. 24 votes "Is Jane there?" The same wants, needs and desires Subject and predicate nominative are identities. "This is she" is the correct form. She further added, "I got a slipped disc at 19 and I am now 23. Language is math.2. This is a rule. Language plays such a fundamental role in structuring the Universe itself (down to the smallest sub-atomic particle) that pointing out its plasticity is, frankly, quite scary. 23 votes She and I Alabama She and I live in our own little world Don't worry about the world outsideShe and I agree, she and I lead a perfectly normal life Ah but just because we aren't often seen socially People think we've something to hide But all our friends know we're just And we write "an hour" because "hour" begins with a vowel sound. 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